• ComradeSharkfucker
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    Guevara easily. Kaczynski recognized many issues with the world but blamed it on technological progress rather than the system driving that technological progress and then used it as an excuse to murder people. He wasn’t even very good at the murdering and mostly killed people he did not intend to. Luigi is ideologically confused but iconic for his (alleged) propaganda of the deed. I like him but he isn’t an influence on me. Guevara helped lead a successful revolution that vastly improved the lives of the vast majority of cubans forever. He has contributed to an incalculable good for hundreds of thousands of people. He then became a leftist icon and integral part of so many guerilla movements that were so threatening that the US contracted help from a former nazi to find and kill him. They then attempted to hide is corpse in an unmarked grave in the jungle. It’s not a hard choice. Thats not even mentioning his valuable humanitarian work outside of Cuba and his work within the Cuban government as treasurer.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      213 days ago

      What do you think it would take to be a revolutionary in the US today and is anybody on their way there?

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        Honestly I am not focused on revolution within the US at the moment. Before that is possible we will need revolutions in the imperial periphery that make our empire weak enough to tackle. I have not the slightest clue what it would take to be a revolutionary in the sense that Che was within the US and I don’t think its up to individuals to figure that out. Leaving it to the individual is begging for adventurism. Hell, Che would say America is not ready for an urban Guerrila movement yet anyway. He’d say too many people still trust the electoral system and he’d be damn right. America does not yet have a revolutionary vanguard party so I wouldn’t say anyone is close to being revolutionaries yet. PSL shows promise but they are limited by essentially just being a protest org right now. They also do some education and work with some labor unions but it isn’t all there imo.

        • @[email protected]OP
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          212 days ago

          Yeah most of the US is totally bought into the two party system. The government would have to really fuck everybody in order for people to band together to revolt.

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    213 days ago

    A revolutionary, a terrorist and an innocent man walk into a bar… stop me if you’ve heard this one before.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      113 days ago

      Not criticizing, but do you actually believe Luigi is innocent? Meaning he didn’t kill somebody or something else?

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            213 days ago

            yes. because our country was built on laws.

            personal opinion has no room in the jurisprudence of the law. if laws were broken then then a guilty party must be held culpable.

            in a perfect world Bryan Thompson would have been charged and tried for his crimes. unfortunately someone took the law into their own hands because they (rightfully) felt the law was inadequately responding to blatant corruption.

            Bryan would be alive today had the laws been enforced as designed.

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            112 days ago

            Like I said. Innocent until proven guilty.

            I doubt you can make a convincing argument against the presumption of innocence as it underpins the best legal systems in the world but give it a shot if you want.

            • @[email protected]OP
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              112 days ago

              Just seeing if you feel the same across the board. You support the innocence of Luigi and ICE agents until proven guilty. All ICE agents are innocent right now regardless of what they are seen doing.

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                112 days ago

                You seem very fixated on ICE as a talking point.

                I don’t particularly care what ICE agents are doing as I’m not from the USA and have no desire to go there.

                You seem to think innocent until proven guilty is some sort of belief in factual innocence, which it isn’t. It’s the withholding of judgment until due process is performed.

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                  112 days ago

                  I’m just making sure it’s applied equally for everybody. Luigi is innocent. ICE agents are innocent. Rapists in your country caught on video raping somebody but have yet to stand trial are innocent. Just clarifying that you would say the same thing about everybody who has not been convicted of something yet.

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    213 days ago

    Pretty sure only one of these has his picture on posters and t-shirts owned by teenagers all over the world. But maybe Luigi will get there some day.