As the situation in regard to report immigrants escalated, and the army may be used against Americans, do you believe there’s a way back, or is this a one way street to civil war?
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I think we are still trying peaceful protests and hoping upcoming elections will change things. There is little appetite to escalate to violence yet.
It is inevitable that ice and ice barbie will encounter violent opposition when they raid a wrong address sometime soon. But it will be localized to that location.
Most of the radical groups of self armed wackos are working for ice now and reveling in their racism.
Two of my state’s democratic politicians were shot this morning, one killed, in a targeted assassination. I think it’s already started.
What sfate?
Minnesota. I feel sick.
Yeah I found all the articles, America is over folks and the protest are about to get ugly.
Where would the front(s) be? Seems like in USA CW 1.00, the north/south division made it easy to figure out where the enemy was. Nowadays, the ideological disagreement is much more geographically woven everywhere, with a battlefront possibly existing between every couple of houses in some neighborhoods.
The frontline is everywhere; there be no shelter here.
-Rage Against the Machine, No Shelter
There won’t be any front lines in the usual sense; probably the closest we’d get is a vaguely rural vs. urban divide.
CW 2.0 is gonna look more like the Troubles than anything else.
If The Cranberries songs and music videos I’ve seen are any indication, that sounds like a horrible situation.
The focus on immigrants is insufficient. The problem is the circumvention of law, due process, civil rights. The problem is circumventing the law to do so much harm, whether it’s to dark skinned people, the general instillation of terror, fraud and corruption, national leadership holding themselves above the law, enforcement agencies in contempt of the law, harm to our economy, harm to our neighbors and friends who relied on us, harm to our future and our environment, harm effective running of government functions. There’s just too many reasons to be offended beyond mistreatment of our fellow humans and the common thread is violation of the law and constitution.
This does not have the seeds of a civil war.
Look back to 1861. The US was split between slave and free states. Both regions had different economic models that were in conflict. The slavers of the south controlled most of the nation’s capital. The slaves were worth more than all the railroads and foundries of the north. They had oligarchic control of the southern states.
When Lincoln was elected, it was the first time that an outspoken abolitionist became president. It was clear, that the demographics of the US were changing in a way that would lose their power and status. So they started a war.
Those weren’t the uneducated racists that you find waving confederate flags today.
The US has seen presidential lawlessness before (notably Andrew “Trail of Tears” Jackson). It also has seen lawlessness by state politicians (eg Harry F. “Massive Resistance” Byrd or Governor Orval “Blood will run in the Streets” Faubus).
The only way I could see a civil war is, if Trump directly threatened the Middle Class and/or the Wealthy Elites.
Idealism is the privilege of elites. Maslow’s pyramid puts the majority of people into survival mode or comfort, and the US has been boiling the frog towards expanding the bottom of the pyramid for a long time. By the time people noticed that an open revolt (even so much as a work strike) would destroy their lives, it was too late. There are so few charismatic, moral and idealistic elites that the government could take care of them as soon as they threatened to become leaders of a real opposition. I don’t believe there would be a civil war, and I don’t believe there is a way back. The US will become a neofedual country, with a lucky few who have the means to move elsewhere. The best case scenario is for the rest of the world to isolate from the US, both economically and militarily.
I don’t know. People have found ICE facilities and are harassing them there and while they are out on operations. That is great but the Trump administration is likely going to keep over-escalating the response while continuing to ignore laws. He is a “results for my side at any cost” person.
Gonna need A LOT more. This already happened in 2022 for BLM. An existential threat needs to exist for a majority of the population before people will be willing to fight. It’s California. Too comfortable.
No, it’s going towards a civil war, as it seems the pieces are in place, heavy polarization, federal government overstepping their control over states control. This is all similar to how the first civil war started, polarization between the north and south, Dredd Scott decision stating that slaves in the north can not be freed, basically leading the way to the fugitive slave act, which is when bounty hunters from the south were going north to pick up slaves, northern were of course going to protect them, then we had Buchanan just not give a shit and basically going out the government can not do anything about state seceding even though they cannot led the pieces that led to the civil war. Buchanan was also sympathetic to slave owners.
All of this can be similar to today, trump can be seen as Buchanan setting the pieces up for the civil war, ICE taking immigrants away, using scummy tactics like taking them from courts or their immigration appointments, taking people from their homes even in states that are sanctuaries basically overstepping states ground, basically the opposite of bunchanan as he just said the federal government can not do anything but trump is doing everything he can to take over the federal government. This is the groundwork for it and while people think the US army is powerful, just remember the 2nd amendment was created as the last check if the federal government goes tyrannical, likely we’ll start seeing the civil war slowly start with 2026 elections being disputed, since trump party may lose really hard due to tariffs.
Eventually, yes. I do think so. Not directly from the current wave of immigration, tariffs, and other batshit crazy Trump stuff though.
The underlying wealth inequality, surveillance state, media exploitation, and corrupt politics does eventually lead to conflict though, IMO. I don’t really say a way around that, unless the fundamental access to services and “represent the people” actually becomes representing the people.
Tired exploited people with few/no recourse will take action eventually.
Civil war is when one governing body fights another governing body in one country.
So civil war could be between Republicans and Democrats or the Marines and the army.
What we have now is civilians protesting a oppressive tyrannical fascist dictator wannaby.
So no. No civil war.
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