I meant, of course everything depends on which version of what you consider. This reasoning also works if we have a different version of what God, or good or humans are.

Maybe we are the freaking rogue demons

Evil and pain/suffering/discomfort are not the same. Evil has an intention behind it. Where is the evil in dying cause I slipped in the shower, or the evil in crushing your toes cause I’m heavy and inattentive and you’re dainty and I accidentally stepped over your feet? At most you could say there’s evil in natural disasters, but the world was going from A to B, we just didn’t know our world enough and suffered because of it (and that’s why now we have seismology!), for instance, but since when does nature have conscience? The world, compared to a garden with no danger no fear like Paradise, is evidently chaotic, but does that mean it’s “flawed” or just the only way things could work the way God designed the universe? So, at most I’ll accept some disagreement with the fact that God put us in a place that’s chaotic, but haven’t we risen to the task of understanding and using the universe to our whims? They put a man on the moon!

On the other hand, however, is everything that’s man-made. All the evils, from starvation to genocide, from greed to rape, this is all the result of misguided free will. And God teaches us (by the pen, so read) on what we should do to control it/us. You can’t possibly put that on God, unless you wanted us to be basically sims/robots…

“If you think the point in life is to be happy and live long I can see how you’d be confused”

Not sure where I heard it but I think of it often.

I’m a father and I think of god the same way I think of being a parent. I want my kids to learn things and I want them to return home and tell me about it.

Common* christian theology posits that God is a perfect judge of law and fact, seeing as she has both infinite patience, infinite subjective time, and accurate knowledge of everyone’s points of view.

“Why does evil persist on Earth then” comes down to either said evil being necessary for some unseen purpose, said evil being irrelevant to God’s plans, or said evil being the consequence of some mortal privilege. Or some combination thereof.

There has been a lot of christian thought about why evil persists, and settling on an answer to it is essentially the base of all persistent ecumenical schisms. Other religions add even greater complexity, because once you examine perspectives off the abeahamic tree you quickly find that not even “Good” is consistently defined.

The moral and philosophical questions don’t get much easier if you remove God from the equation, or even if you adopt a nihilistic “only the momentary physical now matters” perspective.

If you don’t believe me, try coming up with an answer to “why is killing bad” that you can get agreement on. (Not just “is killing bad,” but an actual casual why.)

There is no good and evil, just people trying to justify their decisions as rational. There is nothing else required, to fuck up the world, just people and their desires to “help” and “protect” everyone from everything.

There’s no god and playing around with angles how and why a god exists can poison your person

That’s basically the Euthyphro dilemma.