Whenever barrier to entry is discussed for lemmy, and reducing confusion for different servers is brought up, all of the isolationist comments come out of the woodwork.
Apparently redditors who are too dumb to register should stay on reddit?
We have a platform that seems to be working and slowly growing. Shouldnt we want good defaults in place to give the best possible experience with minimal user effort?
I support it because I want more people to talk about shows with
Feel this as I semi-void post about some of the shows I’ve watched in [email protected]. Trying to let people know there’s someone else around here watching Japanese and Korean shows.
Thank you for posting it!
Binging anything right now?
Watching Doctor Who in chronological order
Holy crap isn’t there a A LOT of Doctor Who?
It’s taken several months and also I skipped most of the Third Doctor era because that would just be watching the show normally
Watching Doctor Who is such a treat. Where are you at? The 12th is one of my favorite runs
Just got to the TV movie.
Severance!!
It isn’t very long, but I just wrapped up Mobile Suit Gundam: Requiem For Vengeance.
It’s kind of obvious that it was a rather low-budget show, which is a pity because the story concept is something I’ve wanted for ages, but now won’t be repeated because it was done and didn’t fare well.
Bookwise, I’m chewing my way through The Dresden Files.
Interesting that you mentioned Gundam, I started with the original series and then sort of switched over to Macross and finished the original season of that. Neither one really struck a cord with me… I’m more of a Space Battleship Yamoto 2199 person I guess
I admit unfamiliarity with SBY2199 beyond seeing some clips and understanding the basic concept.
That said, from what I do know, it’s more of a… dramatic-flare show, whereas Gundam (especially the Universal Century) tends to be a bit grittier, grim, and grounded about war? You might enjoy Mobile Suit Gundam 00, which (from my perspective) is I think a little more “Yamato-like”.
Nice, subscribed!
I started watching House again randomly.
Only Murders. Not binging, but we’re watching through it.
Currently, it seems most Lemmy users are very technically inclined, there are a lot of software devs and sysadmins. I certainly don’t mind that, but I would love to see a more diverse demographic. I do feel like some people here seem to think that technical knowledge strongly correlates with the ability to have intelligent discussions, which I don’t.
How dare you assume we are all software devs or sys admins!!
… I am a software dev though hahaha ;p
Jokes aside, i agree. We are all humans and diversity is important so we dont alienate ourselves to the outside world and create echo chambers.As a sysadmin, I must second the claim that we are surely not all software devs and sysadmins.
…Right?
I’m mechanically inclined, worked on cars profesionally for a few years, been in manufacturing for over ten years now. I can research enough to get around a linux terminal, but I learned compuers on apple IIe and commodore 64.
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Everyone who is like “we only want more people who understand the fediverse”
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I’ll admit that I don’t really understand it and I’ve been here since the start on various accounts over various instances. I don’t want to understand it, either.
I never got on with mastodon, nor really any of the other fediverse other than Lemmy. Simply because I never used their corporate counterparts. I also don’t really care about other instances within Lemmy. I hate the politics between them. Though I understand why it exists, it makes this place much less enjoyable due to the hostility.
I’m just here to keep me off Reddit because I’d been there so long that it became hard to walk away. Lemmy feeds that addiction, but it doesn’t provide the wealth of information that was readily available on modern Reddit. It feels a lot like old Reddit but with less rage comic and animal advice memes.
In reality we should.
To many in lemmy are to happy to stay in their special little corner.
Its just confusing to me because lemmy is made to give anyone their preferred corner.
Asking for low barrier to the largest instances (entry points for new users) seems like a different ask than for professional lemmings to give up their platform.
That’s just due to the nature of alternative platforms
Who’s “we”? I don’t run a lemmy instance. I’m not against new users. I’m also not opposed to a lot of hard work and money going into making the experience better, but since I’m not providing either - who’s “we”?
Lemmy.world users, and maybe other instances.
Its not about demanding new features from people who volunteer their time and money, its about the community being understood and maybe having some consesus about what we’d like to see because i do imagine the people who manage this instance care about what users want.
And its nice to talk about these things directly instead of having people speaking for the instance in a hundred conflicting ways in random posts.
Broader adoption of lemmy ensures more longevity, and likely better, more diverse development. Ignore the haters. Everyone was new here at some point and the last thing we should do is pull up the ladder behind us.
Change is good. Change is life. People who oppose change for its own sake are in favor of stagnation.
There are a LOT of haters though
Id like to see some polls tbh.
I’m one of those, and km not against it.
Seems like a pretty tiny minority you’re talking about.
I got my instance, but I’m not really sure how to handle it if people started living on it :-)
It’s all my hardware on a gigabit fiber link. Any advice greatly appreciated.
We should make one fully centralized mega instance and contain all the Redditors over there.
It’s easy to make statements, suggestions, and opinions, but it’s really hard to actually do things in practice.
We all want more people here. The question is “How?”, and simply saying “Make good defaults” is easier said than done (what are good defaults?) and “good defaults” is too simple of an answer to a very complex issue.
The conversation has been stuck here for over a year already as very few people are actually willing to develop and test these solutions which takes a lot of resources too.
The irony of the situation is that a lot of these solutions that have been suggested also need a central authority. For example, people have suggested creating a central hub where everyone can sign up to. Another example is creating a little quiz which begs the question “Who decides which instances goes there?”.
The best effort I’ve seen in trying to implement a solution are Reddit mirrors which aren’t well-received because nobody likes talking to bots.
As a personal anectode on “lowering the barrier of entry”:
Since I started this instance (ani.social), my goal in mind was to make it very easy for users to sign up. There’s no manual approval here (except when it’s being flooded with trolls). Only email verification is needed – just like every social media platform.
But sometimes when new users sign up, they comment or post on communities in instances that defederated from us.
Now I have to think about how I’m supposed to explain defederation to people, and the moment I do try to explain, that’s a big turn off for many.
Trying to hide federation is impossible. The Fediverse demands a new kind of usership that understands how the network works.
Again, I’m not saying Lemmy can’t improve (it can in a lot of ways), but it all boils down to developer resources and who’s willing enough to test these solutions to see what works and what doesn’t. On the other hand, it takes minimal effort to say “It needs to be better”.
Thanks.
I was frustrated because it seemed like people didnt want more people here, which is what prompted the post.
If we do agree we want more people here then im happy.
I mean honestly maybe this is a good project for me after im not so busy. I dont think we need to parse every new user to an ideal instance, but have a starting instance. Simple as that. Treat lemmy as if it were one website without additional instances and the only thing that would drive people to move from the default instance is their own motivation to customize their experience. So yes it would be a very simple, but inherently biased sign up.
Personally i would love to understand better what instances are viewable to other instances to help make such a tool but i havent set out to research that myself.
Sorry i dont have time to discuss further today, i appreciate your comment.
We all want more people here.
We want more people who understand the concept of the fediverse and who will be good partipants. An incdeased volume of users is not necessarily a benefit, and frequently becomes a detriment as malicious actors become interested in the next big thing.
That’s exactly what I meant by:
The Fediverse demands a new kind of usership that understands how the network works.
I don’t think Lemmy is going to catch on. There’s too much friction every step of the way, at least in my experience with it. I still enjoy using Lemmy, but I can see why the majority of people won’t end up making the switch
We need to build a space for them to migrate into. Most of what I see on Lemmy is, frankly, whiny. If we want to grow we need to set a better example.
This isn’t a lemmy only thing.
Seen this since the 90’s and the start of Eternal September. ‘How dare we change or help these constant Lusers show up. How DARE we allow for differing opinions. Our way is the ONLY right way! Why should we allow this CANCER to infect us?’
To further emphasize that point: I’m part of a tilde community. I have been working on a migration document highlighting services and other options for social media migrants. The local newsgroup is sparcely populated. So the one technical guy that’s a frequent poster had this to say:
I think these followers and likes counters’ places unleash the wrong attitude. People write stuff to collect these by pleasing the potential reader instead of writing just facts. Fights over points and factually wrong answers that gained a lot of up-votes drove me away from reddit and SE. Some even write BS and get terribly upset if you point them to a man page that contradicts their statements.
Communication media should fit the job. Chats be volatile and fast while mail, mailing lists and news are allowing detailed discussions in long articles.
Sending people from twitXter or FB to Mastodon does not help them evolve. It just gives addicts a supposedly more free variant of their drug instead of getting them away from it.
Less is more!
The isolationists are wrong, and to me would rather watch the world burn for the sake of being proven right in their isolation than to help people.
Personally, I think the big thing is that we need a tool to see who is defederated from who. We don’t want some poor sod somehow thinking that since they are leftist that Hexbear or Lemmygrad would be a good place for them.
Yeah agreed. Who am i cutting out by joining this instance
Lemmy is undeniably smaller but it feels a lot more free, like I’m not walking on eggshells when posting here.
On Reddit I have to mince my words on a lot of subs and be careful about using certain words, lest I want Automoderator to effectively shadowban me. Reddit is ruled by tyrannical power mod assholes who likely got slammed into lockers and beaten for their lunch money in high school, and are now using their role as an internet janitor to exert a repressed power fantasy. And don’t get me started on the Tintin-looking supreme cuck who owns Reddit Inc either.
Put it this way, Lemmy is a place where you can post about Luigi Mangione, or about the people involved in Elon Musk’s DOGE operation without risking a ban.
