Since Lemmy is federated, and the admins of each instance choose what’s allowed and what’s not in their own instance.
How do you feel about what’s allowed and what’s not in your current instance ?
I’ll start: I’ve read people complaining about my instance admins, but I haven’t experienced nor seen anything I specifically disagree with.
And I’ve read things they wrote that I absolutely agree with, like not federating with Meta under any circumstances.
So for now, I’m happy with it. If I get banned randomly, I don’t think I’d go to a different instance, though. I’d probably just stop visiting Lemmy altogether.
it made me get off of lemmy.world
What was the issue there ?
Lemmy.world is incredibly hostile towards Marxists, or anyone too critical of the Democrats or the US’ involvement in the genocide of Palestinians. I imagine @[email protected] has similar complaints based off their username.
My name is a pun off of miao being meow in chinese but sounds similar to Mao. But yes, that is where their censorship is and I disagree with it, but I also disagree with lemmygrad/hexbear censorship.
I elaborated on my views in my top level comment here, but you can’t avoid “censorship.” You can only pick which bias you want to see more of. Lemmygrad and Hexbear are more open with their biases, and can be trusted to uphold that bias very reliably. Lemmy.world is more subtle, it focuses on selective defederation and selective removals and bans in order to carefully prune a demographic.
Dbzer0 is interesting, it’s mostly tech nerds and those enthusiastic about Anarchism, while remaining federated with Lemmy.world, Hexbear, and Lemmy.ml while defederating from Lemmygrad. As such, it generally leans techy Anarchist with a large influx of Liberals from Lemmy.world and some Marxists from Hexbear on occasion. It isn’t as heavy handed with removals as Lemmy.world is in my experience, but it definitely is selective with what the mods and admins consider “acceptable Marxism.”
Thanks for the knowledgeable break down :)
I didn’t know much of that especially dbzer0 federating hexbear but not lemmygrad. Wonder why?
You’re smart about knowing the clear biases versus the more subtle one’s. Well said!
I never had any particular problem at lemmy.world but I really didn’t like their Luigi decision. The admin of dbzer0 seems nice. I directly asked about not liking ai, which is their focus, and they were very chill in their response
dbzer0 as an instance considers Lemmygrad to be “fake” Marxist-Leninists (which I believe to be sourced from the western-anarchist demographic of dbzer0 in general, rather than actual familiarity with Marxism-Leninism), the geopolitical stance of dbzer0 as an instance is contrary to Lemmygrad and thus the admins deemed this to be an absolute difference. That said, dbzer0 themself is more symapathetic towards Hexbear as Hexbear has a very large number of Anarchists as well as Marxists, and dbzer0 is an Anarchist.
As for Lemmy.world, I have had my own issues with it and been thoroughly soured by them, you can check my modlog if you want to see it, I don’t really want to turn this into a drama post.
In case you check my modlog, here is the context for the [email protected] ban. The moderator banned me for calling out their regurgitation of white supremacist “anti-DEI” nonsense about non-white people being included in God of War. They since deleted their account and locked the sub, now its just bot posts for the most part.
Thanks for further explaining! How did you learn all this?
How do I check your specific modlog? I’ve also had some people randomly attacking me….
Admin’s didn’t like Luigi discussions to the point of not allowing discussion of Jury nullification. It wasn’t not supporting violence but not supporting most discussion of this topic. To me, that shows protection of a certain neoliberal class. Like the opposite of lemmygrad.
They do support violence, just the old terror, as Mark Twain would put it.
by that you mean state terror?
Capitalist system terror and opression, though considering USA is at the stage of imperialism for which merging of capitalism and state is characteristical, we can say it’s the terror of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
.ml here, I’m happy with this community. I know the reputation it has, but honestly, I haven’t really seen it. I’m a hardcore leftist, but I’ve been very critical of China, Russia, etc. And I’m not a tankie. Obviously haven’t been banned or had my comments removed.
The mods here seem quite reasonable, and of course if folks don’t agree, there are a lot of other instances.
I used to be a free-speech absolutist when I was young, but then I realized that there isn’t such a thing. Even the few places online that pride themselves on having “no censorship” like 4-chan still have a handful of things that they don’t allow.
Quite frankly, I think those places are pretty nasty overall and I have no desire to emulate them. Racists, Pedos, lgbt-phobes don’t need a platform or to have their opinions elevated or taken seriously.
I wouldn’t think a top university’s physics department is improved by devoting classes and curriculum to flat earth or 7-day creationism. Likewise, I don’t think a forum or server is made better by allowing racists and bigots to have a safe space on it.
Of course, you have to decide what crosses the line, but welcome to real life. There’s a difference between a hardcore neo-nazi who thinks Jews and black folks are literal sub-humans, and your 87 year-old grandpa who unironically calls the employees at his favorite asian buffet, “Chinamen.”
I haven’t really had any bad experiences with .ml communities or users. I consider myself a Marxist actually. I mostly saw the China, Russia, and North Korean dick sucking on Reddit. I remember someone on Reddit actually arguing that leftists should use Redstar OS (North Korean Linux distro designed to spy on its users) because its made by a socialist country that cares about its people. Guess that’s why they’re executed for stealing bread. I’m sorry about your instances bad reputation, I really haven’t seen it. Besides, there are assholes in every community.
In general communities it’s ok here but in global events it’s easy to see in the modlog that certain topics which are not favorable for Socialist-In-Name-Only are hidden very fast.
I haven’t checked the log, but I get my news from several different sources, Lemmy is only one of them.
I’m happy with Lemmy.ml. I feel like moderation is taken seriously here and that is a very good thing. I don’t care for “free speech” that provides a platform for immoral points of view. For example, I do not need to consider the opinions of racists or Nazis. I’ve heard them plenty and there is no redeeming value in their speech. It is a settled debate. Anyone who doesn’t understand that deserves your suspicion.
Also on .ml and agree. Nazi shit on an instance makes it unusable as far as I’m concerned.
The only thing I want to know about nazis is how far away they are so I can adjust my aim.
.ml rocks. I know people are upset when tankies post walls of text but it’s their space to. I just wish they could live how they want, same as I do. Even if we want very different things in life. Want some get some.
You don’t have to craft a PhD dissertation any time they reply to you. Just move on to the next shit post. Some feel obligated, and that’s your perogative. I have to many part time jobs to reply to everyone here.
Not bad. The thing with “censorship” is that there are no real “free-speech” instances, all instances have opinions they deem intolerable and thus prune (whether selectively or overtly), and many selectively federate and defederate in a manner that makes one camp of thought more dominant, ie liberalism on Lemmy.world via defederation from Hexbear and Lemmygrad, etc.
Lemmy.ml is quicker to remove comments that break the rules than other instances, but is also more broadly federated and thus gets more points of view than, say, Lemmy.world. Lemmy.world on the other hand is more selective with what it removes, but intentionally defederates from instances with heavy concentrations of Marxists, a more subtle form of “censorship” that ultimately shapes the dominant narratives on its instance.
What this ultimately means is that the answer is to openly admit bias, which exists in everyone, and accept that as a natural consequence of the fediverse model. I wouldn’t go to Lemmy.world if I wanted to know the opinion of Marxists just like I wouldn’t go to Lemmygrad if I wanted to know the opinion of liberals on a subject, this recognition of bias is an intrinsic aspect of the federated model and needs to be openly recognized, otherwise sabre rattling about “censorship” between instances becomes a never-ending source of unconstructive drama.
I find, it’s useful to piss off the nazis. For example, lemmy.ml has a word filter, which has hardly an impact on anything. But the free-speech absolutists who want to be allowed to say that we should murder ethnic groups of people, because they think that’s an opinion, they see that as censorship, so they don’t care to join here.
I’m no Nazi, I just think it’s infantilizing to filter out certain words so I left .ml. We’re all adults here. Enjoy what you like though, I’m happy with /0.
I’m definitely not saying anyone who’s not a fan of word filters is a nazi. I’m just saying that nazis disproportionally dislike them more, so it’s a good thing in my book. But yes, definitely enjoy what you like, too. I would be more critical of the word filter, if it wasn’t possible for you to just join a different instance.
Any words in particular? I can only think of certain ableist and misogynist slurs which are uniquely(?) censored on .ml, which I would imagine could be deeply hurtful to those who have been subjected to abuse and discrimination, and are thrown around too readily by ignorant and uncaring sorts (including my past self.)
It would be nice, of course, to be in a world where such measures weren’t necessary to create a welcoming space for all, but we’re evidently some way off.
The beauty of the fediverse. We all self select our digital communes that best reflects our values. All while not having to switch to a new service or product.
I feel OK about it, for the most part. I can say "genocide is always wrong" and not get banned here.
But ya can’t see the word bitch (or a bunch of other swears)
Oh no, not the tyranny of the regular expression filtering of a few bigoted words! This is fascism!
Bitch isn’t a bigoted word lawl
It’s misogynistic, pretty clear cut bigotry.
Not if you’re calling something cool “bitchin’”!
The root word is baked in misogyny, that doesn’t change that dynamic.
Removed by mod
I only see removed but this comment makes me think of female dogs
Yerp, that’s exactly correct hahaha
Other instances don’t remove words
I’m on world. Fuck the admins of world.
“Censorship” has become a buzzword and lost all of its meaning
I haven’t had a single issue with feeling censored at DB0. If anything, it is users from other instances acting like they own the whole Fediverse that I have occasionally had a problem with, but I don’t think any of them were moderators.
Yah, moderation on db0 is fantastic. I have zero complaints.
I honestly feel like parasocial friends with DB0 at this point, and he is a really standup person in my opinion. Definitely the kind of intelligent nerd I admire.
I’ve been thinking about switching over to lemmy.today as it’s not currently defederated with anyone, so I can decide who to block and keep for myself. It’s based in Oregon, and I like the idea of joining an instance close to me. I do worry about Lemmy.world being so overly dominate in the federated-lemmy-space.
But many of the communities that I participate in are lemmy.world, and it’s nice that they send me an automated notice whenever a post/comment of mine is removed. I’ve already subscribed to many communities and would have to do that all over again. and I haven’t thought of a creative new username.
You can use the same username since they’re unique per instance. I had the same one on Lemmy.world
I just had all of my comments deleted by the mod of a vegan group because I questioned one person. Seems lemmy is bringing over mods from reddit and their attitudes.
It’s a little high for my tastes, notably in blocking piracy communities from other servers. I don’t even care to participate in them; it’s a matter of principle.
I have encountered very little if any at all
From what I’ve read, in our instance, it’s being critical of China that gets you banned.
But I don’t know how much of that is people being straight-up racist/xenophobic and then conflating it with being critical.
Lemmy.ml does censor a lot of profanity, but other than that it doesn’t seem any more or less overtly heavyhanded on censorship than other instances.
That being said, I suppose self-censorship among the community is another factor to consider as well, as I’ve seen a lot of instances purge their own versions of wrongthink depending on which mod is on a power trip.
Yeah the profanity censorship can be a bit weird but its nice that I don’t see slurs
The automated censorship that keeps out CSAM and blatant trolling and scams? I love it.
The moderation that’s done over the whole instance. That’s understandable as it’s a large attack surface for regulatory or state actor interference.
The community mods, that depends on the /c and honestly it’s the same as it’s ever been. It’s wildly variable from person to person.
I’m satisfied, I haven’t seen or noticed any censorship.
