i can’t even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.
edit: well they’re not quiet now once they get called out
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There sure are a lot of people trying to blame the left because their strategy of appealing to the middle failed.
Couldn’t have said it better. This post is pure cringe but the op is a perfect example of why Democrats lost.
Naaah. What’s cringe are the smug pseudo-intellectual “trolley problem” gEnOciDe accusers that didn’t do shit but sit on their thumbs while the rest of us tried to save democracy.
Now they all get to blame the people that acted while smugly admitting that they chose not to?
An estimated 90 million people chose not to vote. Of those 90 million were third party supporting clowns that chose not to vote because they knew their candidate didn’t stand a chance. Also among those 90 million were protest-voting clowns that chose not to vote because their last two remaining brain cells were too busy fighting over third place.
There is ZERO logic or intelligence in accusing the people that actually tried and did something to avoid a shitty outcome while arrogantly having not done jack shit about it.
You aren’t saving democracy dude lmao
I don’t think you can save something you didn’t have to begin with tbh
This is you. Your ‘But Trump’ strategy got you Trump twice now.
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So you tried saving democracy by… doing nothing and in the end, everyone lost. And I don’t recall ever supporting genocide, mentioning anything even remotely supportive of genocide, or even so much as hinting at that possibility of being an okay thing to do for any reason.
Voting for someone committing genocide and advocating for someone committing genocide IS supporting genocide.
There sure are a lot of people that didn’t do jack shit and think they have a place to blame anyone.
I wasn’t super fond of the democrat’s platform either man, but I definitely wanted Not Fascism and Some Semblance of Human Rights to win.
Now we have nothing, and I have to make plans to figure out how to get my girlfriend out of the country if she ever needs reproductive care. Great job!
‘But Trump’ got you Trump twice now, and you’re blaming the people that tried to save you from yourself.
News flash, neoliberals are already fascist, they are just better at hiding it. They even endorsed Dick fucking Cheney.
A party that insists we have to support genocide is already fascist and has no regard for human rights except to use as bargaining chips to get votes. Sorry.
Egocentrism is a defining American quality.
Nothing could be more egocentric than believing every opinion different from your own can just be reduced to egocentrism. Maybe it’s time for a healthy dose of self awareness…
“All Opinions Are Equal”
Consider the proposition that all people’s opinions hold equal value. No one’s opinion is better or more valid than anyone else’s.
Hope this helps.
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Your point?
I’m not convinced the left was ever going to show up for any candidate. They’re already castigating Bernie, of all people. They’ve already purged AOC.
From what I learned it seems there is absolutely no limit to the amount of purity testing that seems to happen on the left. In the meantime, Republicans are marching us lockstep into direct fascism. So we can’t get anything done because none of the dnc candidates are perfect. Meanwhile, Republicans literally have no standards.
Um. Leftists vote at the highest rate of any polity.
There’s just not many of us.
The DNCs “standards” weren’t impressive to millions of center / center-left voters who voted for Biden.
Probably because they nakedly shilled themselves to anyone with a checkbook. Had no stances, offered no solutions, and came across as wildly out of touch.
Imagine how a tax credit for first time home buyers sounds to someone who can’t afford groceries.
You’re kind of proving my point. We’re now left with the alternative. Again: because we couldn’t be bothered to show up to vote. That home buyer tax credit was one of many policies. Like the child tax credit was a really big deal. But again, here we are tearing her platform apart while the repubs are marching lockstep.
Trump gets to coast on the guarantee that his base will show up no matter any-thing. He is most vile person that ever held office (maybe Jackson is up there with him). But the DNC candidate has to thread carefully and reach near perfection or else face endless barrage of criticism from within.
The two parties seem to have vastly different standards and that’s why we can never move further left. The right wins on every turn regardless while the left is sticking their nose up because the DNC candidate is just never left enough.
Yes when you cultivate a brainwashed mob of barely literate hateful fools you can manipulate them pretty easily.
Frankly I’ve abandoned democracy. We aren’t responsible enough to keep it and it’s grown too onerous to manage. It’s a garden that has overgrown our house. I doubt what’s coming will be better but hatching is rarely a good thing from the viewpoint of the eggshell.
Right. But unfortunately that’s our reality. We have to build up. If we ever want to move that Overton window… well now it jumped ten steps to the right. It doesn’t go back and forth between each cabinet. It just keeps sliding into the right because again: the right has no standards and is happy to march in lockstep while we quibble over which progressive policy just isn’t good enough.
I fear we deserve to watch the nation burn because like you said, democracy requires vigilance
If the left would rather have Trump than a centrist Harris government, the left deserves blame
I say she relied on the left coming out for abortion rights and democracy. They couldn’t even come out for that.
It’s so weird. Gaza is extremely important and deserving of the attention. It’s genocide, and it’s horrific. But is no one else important? Because we can’t save Gaza immediately, it’s really better to set outselevs on fire so we can burn together? Like, real talk, Harris will be fine. Biden will be fine. It’s our friends and neighbors who are going to be deported, harassed, laid off, homeless and scared for a minimum of four years.
I wouldn’t say they’re gone though. I’ve been down voted, told “my kind/type” are all talk, or that I’m okay with murder, I voted for genocide, the usual. But I couldn’t sit and do nothing.
But I guess this is what they wanted. The dems have been taught a lesson, we’re moving headfirst into a dictatorship, and Gaza is no safer, but their conscious is clear, somehow.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they are Isreali or Russian psy ops accounts (or at least useful idiots that have bought the psy ops).
When the war started, Lemmy was overrun by the “criticism of Isreal is antisemetic” accounts. That was rejected pretty hard. Those guys disappeared, and the “never genocide” people took their place.
It almost seems like a change in tactics to achieve the same goal.
It was 100% astroturfing, 20% people falling for bullshit. Sounds like politics
Absolutely! There is no doubt. Such fallacies is what they do. Mostly they go with “they are all the same”, then take an absolute approach attack on the principles of the left(er) political party.
“criticism of Isreal is antisemetic” accounts. That was rejected pretty hard. Those guys disappeared, and the “never genocide” people took their place.
So let me get this straight… you think that hasbara accounts turned into anti genocide accounts… thats your brilliant theory? they just all switched sides?
I dont even know what to say to logic like that.
Out of curiosity, what wouldn’t you be willing to compromise on? If I had a party wanting to kill your mom and dad and another who just wants to kill your dad, would you make that compromise?
The centrists would throw in killing the family dog along with the dad and call it a good bipartisan deal.
I appreciate the level headed take.
Because we can’t save Gaza immediately
What do you mean by this? That the president can’t or that voters can’t because their choice is voting genocide or worse genocide?
The dems have been taught a lesson
Based on the response of the media, and elected democrats, no they haven’t lol. They’re blaming the left.
but their conscious is clear, somehow
I think this is reductive and does not acknowledge why many people did not vote democrat.
What do you mean by this? That the president can’t or that voters can’t because their choice is voting genocide or worse genocide?
In my opinion, the genocide was not anywhere on the ballet. There was no feasible choice. I don’t think we had a choice to save Gaza immediately on 11/5. I’d rather fight for people in our regular shit then have to fight for people in whatever hell Trump is planning.
Based on the response of the media, and elected democrats, no they haven’t lol. They’re blaming the left.
Maybe we’re not seeing the same articles? Don’t get me wrong, I do see people blaming leftist/liberals/Russian bots, etc. But the I’ve seen posts and articles about how the dems fail the working class and looking over why they were abandoned. Sanders has been very vocal about the dems failure, and he’s not the only one. Not saying there’s no blame on the campaign, I’ve just seen both 🤷🏿♀️
I think this is reductive and does not acknowledge why many people did not vote democrat.
I don’t think so. I didn’t see this election as “dems VS rep.” I saw this as a vote to stop facisim. There was no vote I could make that day that was going to stop the genocide in it’s tracks. I didn’t believe that not voting was going to make anything easier. I see tons of, “Well, what will your compromise on? How many people can be killed before you say enough is enough?” I don’t feel like I compromised, because that makes it seem like I had a say, at least by 11/5. I wasn’t like, “okay, I’ll allow genocide if they keep abortion rights.” It was, “One person is asking for a ceasefire, but not making a clear statement against the genocide and continues to say she’ll continue what Biden is doing,” and “One person has told me he will give Israel the okay to turn Gaza into a crater, as well as make any future progress or change exponentially more difficult, and will harm anyone he doesn’t like.” Why would I pick the latter? The kid who can’t afford lunch didn’t put me in this position, nor did the teenager bleeding in the parking lot. It feels like they were so focused on teaching the Dems a lesson that they forgot the consequences won’t affect the politicians, it’ll affect us. All of us, whether we like it or not.
I feel more helpless about Gaza then I did before the election. The recent meetings in my area have been down right depressing because we know it’s just going to be so much harder. And it’s upsetting that it feels like it didn’t have to.
I guess we could start saying to those people “I guess you hate LGBT” and “you’re complicit with refugees being deported” and “good job putting the last nail in the coffin of reproductive rights”. I mean, somehow they couldn’t say shit about those issues, just “OMG JOR BIDEN GENOCIDE” and ignored that letting Trump take office would be worse for Palestine as well as terrible about the aforementioned issues. Odd.
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“Child”, ha. Nice move to condescension immediately.
Anyway, you’re STILL ignoring that Trump is going to be at best just as bad about Palestine and likely worse. So, good job, you’re really helping Palestine by getting someone even worse elected. I’ve been trying to explain this for like 10 months now and it sure has been a waste of time.
As far as LGBT issues, likewise Trump is 100% guaranteed to be much worse. So, your speculation about Harris doesn’t hold up there either. Guaranteed worse vs maybe not whole hearted support? Let’s go for guaranteed worse, yeah!
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This is the exact same conversation I’ve had about this for months, as noted. Your points don’t really make sense or seem valid to me. I’m not “a child” due to this. Maybe you should gain some maturity and stop using dumb condescending insults. What you’re saying about me “demanding sacrifice” from others doesn’t correlate to anything in reality. So, another pretentious “OMG IM SO LEFTIST” person with poorly thought out positions, big surprise.
In the US presidential election, yes, you don’t get a perfect candidate. You’re voting along with millions of people. The concept is to vote for the person who best represents your views and has a chance of winning. Not sure why this is so difficult to understand.
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It’s our friends and neighbors who are going to be deported, harassed, laid off, homeless and scared for a minimum of four years.
Already happening under biden. 🙄
Throwing your vote in the trash is a vote for garbage, and garbage won by a landslide.
The garbage voters really hate to hear it.
And liberals really hate to hear that the democrats ran a garbage campaign. Shit goes both ways my dude. Expand your viewpoint and try to consider why someone would be unable to vote for Harris instead of calling them idiots.
It’s possible that both Trump voters, and the people that self-identify as leftist that didn’t vote for Kamala are BOTH idiots.
If you look into the trolley problem you’ll see that you voted for more dead kids not less.
You pretend the campaign was stuck on rails, unable to steer away, but Harris could have and should have steered away from running everyone over. But she chose the direction, didnt she. So itt was never a trolley problem. Thats just a poorly constructed, self serving metaphor.
You’re arguing about the color of the trolley after it’s been covered in blood.
The choice was between a hard fight back to the left with an ally, or regressive accelerationism disguised by lies as “change”.
You made your choice, enjoy your fucking blood.
I wholely and completely reject every premise you propose here.
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Everyone who voted for Kamala knew it was a shit campaign. She started what like 100 days before the election? It’s incredible she ran a campaign at all! No one hates to hear this, it’s reality, and everyone knew it was coming the second Biden stepped down.
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Shit does not go both ways. Shit comes out of your ass, sometimes your mouth, and should never go the other way. If you are having medical issues where shit regularly goes both ways, please go see a doctor.
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Every single point against Kamala, except for one, is a worse point for our new dear orange leader. Want less skeletonized Palestinian kids? You definitely don’t want Trump in office. If you did anything to help that asshole become our new dear leader, then you absolutely didn’t give a shit about Palestine. OR, and here’s the real point, you believed some combination of bespoke bullshit convincing your absolutely dead brain you were making a good choice. And that assumes you’re even being genuine, and no trolling or shilling. If it was the latter (and it was absolutely the latter, don’t lie) then you’re an idiot.
No one was “unable” to vote for Kamala. It made them uncomfortable. If they had read anything from outside their echo chamber, maybe they could have worked past that. Some of them decided to not vote at all, or vote third party, and all that did was make it easier for her to lose.
Still at least you contribute to the conversation. The real tragedy is all those millions that looked up from TikTok when they saw a Mariah Carey meme just long enough to realize it’s not October anymore and oh look an ad…
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The only people making noise are the centrists looking to blame everyone but themselves for a sweep of all the levers of government, and a gradual loss of the judiciary that will doom the republic. It was an epic asswipping of historic proportions with you lot leading and owning the losing strategy. You dont even have the diginity to be embarrassed about it.
You geniuses lost voters across every single demographic except college educated whites, flatly ignored the economic hardship of the lower and middle class and told people they were delusional to talk about it, and on top of that they enabled and participated in obvious far right war crimes. You lost minority and youth support and trust across the board. And you have no way of earning it back beyond your same tired playbook of being slightly better than Trump, on just a few issues.
Even if Harris had done the right, legal, moral thing and indicated she’d halt the shipments, she still would have lost on her idiotic low-polling economic policy that polled the same as Joe Bidens presidency. So you all supported war crimes and soiled the dem name for basically no gain at all. You doomed the republic, soiled the global understanding of “democracy”, and showed the western world order to be a hollow shell of what it once was, where laws and justice dont really matter. All so the DNC elites could take some zionist bribes on a single election cycle, which you then lost. Heck of a job. Its hard to imagine screwing the globe any more thoroughly. Its breathtaking. You couldnt have done a more thorough job if you were maga republican fascists yourselves.
I was going to just block the author of this post and move on but your comment so beautifully and clearly expressed everything I was thinking about their asinine lack of self awareness, I had to just at least thank you for taking the time to patiently engage despite knowing full well they refuse to learn.
Another thankful comment for you. Expressing my frustrations at the liberal tantrums over the situation has been a thorough exercise in anger control and I appreciate the precision with which you hammered home the reality of it all. Look after yourself and your community <3
Had nothing to do with it… or at least insignificantly. The Dems on a platform of “were not him” and the economy is booming… while people where hurting and got shafted by the wave of devaluation… people are angry… and the let’s keep going on the same path and change nothing and so nothing party did not get people out to vote.
Well it appears they’ll never figure that out and intend to lose more so in 4 more years.
If you thought the people who were critical of the Democrats went quite after the election, you’re saying more about the echo chamber you’ve built for yourself than anything else.
You can continue blaming everything but the DNC, but it won’t change the fact that they are complicit in genocide and no matter who was in charge, the US will continue it’s legacy of genocide worldwide.
we do a little bit of intellectualism
But thank goodness you have your very very high horse upon which you can crow about your principles! Congrats I guess.
They voted for a worse genocide.
In 2 different places no less and possibly more.
They just don’t know it yet.
I’ve a feeling some of them know it. They’re just remaining here to maintain enough credibility to be believable during the next propaganda wave that’ll hit us once trump allows his boss to crater Kiev.
You forgot at home, where the marginalized groups are also gonna feel the brunt of turnips policies.
Amazingly, nobody’s happy that the dems decided to sacrifice the whole country rather than budge on exterminating the Palestinians.
*I voted for future genocide instead of present genocide.
Edit: I do empathize with people not voting for Harris as a protest vote. I personally think it is counter productive, but I can see that if the system won’t allow someone to act ethically, then it makes sense to reject the system.
What I don’t understand is voting for Trump as a protest vote instead. He has shown he has no inclination to support Palestine from his last administration and his ties to evangelical groups indicates he would be even worse for the situation than Harris. If anyone disagrees, I’d appreciate to hear the justification either in a reply or DM if you don’t want randos flaming you.
I voted for
futuremore genocide instead of present genocide.And a much higher probability of the once unthinkable - genocide happening in the homeland.
I voted for a proven rapist whonsaid he’d rape again because of the possibility that the other guy might be a rapist or not give me what I want. Figuratively. To teach them a lesson and all that. So there.
And the genocide just worsens, with another soon in Ukraine
Another day, another Lemmy post blaming leftists instead of Republicans, conservatives, racists, and their enablers.
Another day, another commenter putting words into my mouth to make themselves feel better. No shit Republicans and the sycophant media are to blame, I blame them all the time. but the disingenuous “abandon harris” crowd sure didn’t help either. You’re welcome to keep ignoring context though, that’s never stopped anyone around here before.
Not instead of, but as well as.
It’s not leftists’ fault at all that a centrist party lost to a far right party. Please provide any proof whatsoever that it was Pro-Palestinian voters that caused Democrats to lose the popular vote, the electoral college, the house, and the senate.
I’m not singling any “side” out as the culprit. It’s always “this vs that” with everyone these days. Left vs right. Black vs white. No gray areas.
I’m blaming everybody who didn’t vote strategically on Kamala to lessen the horrific effects on the whole WORLD this will have. Not that it seemingly has to make a difference, considering the American voting system is shite. Perhaps Trump was due to win regardless of the American people voting.
There’s plenty of blame to go around.
I know plenty of leftist who live in reality, understood reality, and voted realistically for an ally in the fight over the next four years.
And then there’s fantasy leftists who do zero work, yell into their echo chambers, guard their fragile worldview from exposure to reality, and pretend they’re doing anything to further the cause. Oh and they get mad, stamp their feet, and stay home instead of vote. Or worse, they’re so far up their own ass they honestly think voting for the leopard is a good idea.
The one saving grace is that there aren’t enough of them here to sway a dog catcher election, let alone a national one.
The one saving grace is that there aren’t enough of them here to sway a dog catcher election, let alone a national one.
Right, so memes blaming them for the apocalypse is extra silly
Memes are supposed to be. So, mission accomplished?
“it’s just a meme bro it doesn’t mean anything”
okay, at least you agree it is silly behavior
Oh, don’t misunderstand, it absolutely means something. Satire, political cartoons, parody, etc have been used for centuries to make a point. Memes are no different.
it absolutely means something
So then why the deflection with “memes are supposed to be silly?” Obviously I’m referring to the meaning of the meme, passing it off as “just a meme” is intellectual cowardice.
Cartoons are cartoonish, satire is supposed to be satirical, memes are supposed to be memish, and for the most part that means silly
Are you incapable of this level of discourse? If I’m going to have to start posting articles about etymology you’re probably gonna get bored.
I never said " it’s just a meme " or any of those other things you’re trying to cram in my mouth.
Before you can question the attributes of someone’s intellect, you might want to actually have some for comparison.
I have enough hate for both
Hating statistically irrelevant leftists is counter productive.
It’s not really about the impact they have, it’s about the flaw in logic they have.
So why use them as an example of the flawed logic that all non voters have?
i often do
Why do you focus on leftists often?
Ah, i misread your comment
Then in response to the previous one, I would say they’re just a prime example of flawed logic.
asking why be upset with them when there’s other people to be upset about is just whataboutism
Like yes, all those others are also bad. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna cut them any slack.
“Their votes alone didn’t swing the election” and “Their actions were the opposite of helpful in preventing genocide” can both be true.
The people that was the opposite of helping prevent genocide were Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. That is the truth.
Well now you have Trump who will commit additional genocides within our domestic borders on top of all the complete eradication he will directly fund outside of our borders. you definitely showed them libs!
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Because we live in the real world where we recognize that Trump or Harris were going to be the next president, and Harris’ ambiguity on Gaza and susceptibility to pressure from Democrat voters is, while not ideal, still better than Trump’s open lust for Muslim blood and complete indifference to what pro-palestinian voters want.
Name one candidate that was for it.
Because I am not so blinded by my own self-centered, egotistical view of moral purity as to throw away my vote on retaining civilian rights.
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fuckem. And honestly, if i get banned from a sub for calling out their bullshit then that’s a sub I’m not interested in being in.
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if i get banned from a sub for calling out their bullshit then that’s a sub I’m not interested in being in.
I prefer blocking people like yourself with the “block user” function anyway. So you can shout into an empty void where no one is seeing your comments. Much more effective than you getting a new username to get around a sub ban.
