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#BothSiders often end up repeating Republican talking points
Actual centrists recognize how extreme the right has gotten, and vote accordingly. Bothsiders are the brainless, egotistical tools of the far right, going along with normalizing fascism because they don’t want to think too hard.
Everytime I have a discussion with someone who says “both sides are the same”, they always end up voting right. I ask if both sides are the same why not vote left?
Everybody votes right-wing in usa. There are no left-wing candidates just liberals.
Deep.
Anyone claiming to be undecided on Trump and the GOP in 2024 is full of shit.
I’m undecided on Trump and the GOP in 2024, I can’t tell if they’re brutally evil or evilly brutal.
I’m a centrist. I say they’re brutally evil AND evilly brutal, and I would even add the hot-take as an ENLIGHTENED centrist that they’re probably also stupid.
I am a centrist as well and therefore usually undecided. But these rights make it really easy to decide who not to be undecided about.
same, but i am go between “he can’t be that stupid, he must know he is lying” and “oh, he is that stupid, he might believe the nonsense he says”
It’s the media, not the people. If you read the same article from sources across the political spectrum, you’ll find the further right you go, the more information is omitted and the more opinionated the journalist becomes. So, someone who reads primarily right wing and centrist media will naturally have a right wing opinion when reading centrist articles.
Yeah, I’m not buying the “your opinions are just biases” argument. I don’t deny the influence of past experiences, I just believe humans are more nuanced than that.
Opinions are absolutely subjective, but the content they’re based on is also skewed.
If all of the news you consumed was curated through an engagement algorithm, it would change the way you see the world. Your opinions would be based on that perception.
Now you’re just describing human perception. That’s not really remarkable. And, still, there’s a lot more to it, such as the sum total of experiences a person has.
I still think this concept is being oversimplified quite a bit.
It’s so funny to see Alex Jones present himself as above left-right politics despite constantly spewing far right BS.
After the VP debate, I was stuck under two babies and couldn’t get up before CBS did it’s spin room coverage and fake analytics. During their focus group of 6 undecideds, I nearly fucking lost it when one said “I like that Vance said he’s pro-family”.
This shit repeated on my stream I was watching several times and I inevitably woke up my 8mo having to get to the computer before every last drop of my sanity was gone.
“pro family” and “family values” might be the most vomit inducing dogwhistle in politics.
“As an independent gay black man…”
“I’m no Trump supporter, but…” is the new “I’m no racist, but…”.
If your response to a call to ethnic clensing is ‘‘well… let’s meet them half way’’ you aren’t a moderate centrist.
Jinkies!
I feel like it’s much more often someone being called left when they’re really a liberal, fash, red fash, etc.
Interestingly enough I always did research on both candidates right up to Romney. And I always voted blue. There are people out there who don’t like either party and aren’t on the right.
I’m left leaning but don’t like to define myself as left because that can lead to bias
“defining” doesn’t lead to bias. you are left-leaning regardless of what you decide to call yourself. The important thing is recognizing and acknowledging your predisposition, which it seems you have.
what it protects against is group ideology. I don’t want to start thinking things simply because the political party I align most with thinks that, and unfortunately, identifying with a political group can make people start doing that. I do recognize my biases when making decisions, it’s important to do so, I just find it becomes harder to do that when I start identifying with a group
So what? Is it your responsibility to lead someone away from bias because you simply state you are on the left on the political spectrum?
no, I’m trying to keep MYSELF away from bias
Good luck. If you lean one way or another you are already biased. Inescapable.
95% of my values HEAVILY align with the left, but they also
a) are vaguely lazy and I don’t identify with that
b) go way too far on issues I’ve done zero research on
c) never pass legislation due to never having enough political power
So I can’t support them.
I should’ve added a /s.
c) never pass legislation due to never having enough political power
So I can’t support them.
Well these things sure seem like they could be related…
I have had so many conversations from casual progressive conspiracy theorists about how they think all the Democrats get together and agree on the fall guy (most recently, Manchin) to keep issues on the table indefinitely. You see it constantly with these Jill Stein people. I’ve literally told them the only solution is to give liberal Democrats the majority, which they haven’t had in my lifetime.
Those ones are constantly spreading idiotic takes. “The Dems and Repubs have a ratchet effect towards evil. Therefore we should let the Repubs in to advance the ratchet.”
The things they cite as Dems holding the country back are like always direct results of Repub SCOTUSes, too.
Damn this hits. I’ve worked with a lot of guys who “don’t vote, don’t pay attention” that are defacto conservative in their beliefs.
Because if you don’t pay attention you simply are ok with the status quo which is inherently conservative.
Most men in general are by default conservative because society was kinda built around prioritizing men’s feelings/sensibilities. Of course equality for all feels like being oppressed if your normal is privilege.
I have yet to meet a right wing surfer, admittedly I haven’t been surfing for long, so I’m sure it will happen.
