I hate that evil Emperor Palpatine. That’s why I support Dedra Meero for Emperor. She’s a real firecracker that believes in the righteousness of the Empire to maintain order.
“We should pick the less bad option while we organize for real change.”
“Oh, so you just want DIFFERENT RULER in charge???”
If you stay out of a Nazi death camp long enough to learn the difference between dogshit centrist neolibs and literal fucking fascists, I invite you to learn about the concept of harm reduction.
Harm reduction is supporting the political party that supports genocide and their candidate that proudly proclaimed “As Commander-in-Chief, I will ensure America always has the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.” at the party’s nomination ceremony. I am a very serious political analyst.
The Dems can never fail in the fight against fascism, because they are aligned with the process all on their own.
If you stay out of a Nazi death camp long enough to learn the difference between dogshit centrist neolibs and literal fucking fascists
Enjoy your mind palace where “No one has ever died in a camp because of dogshit centrist neolibs”. Millions of people across the global south are silent in their deaths because of the purposeful collaboration of neolibs and fascists, but you have no willingness to comprehend this reality.
You already had camps tbh, you’ve had them for many years now
Its been over a year and people still are freaking out about this? And not the fact that the democrats have basically rolled over at every turn to trump and the GOPs demands?
The dems did not do s good job mobilizing their voter base. A bunch of people didnt like genocide. A bunch of people didnt like Biden. A bunch of people held their nose and voted for him the first time when he said he would get rid of student loans and be a one term president. He reneged on almost every single promise he made. He then committed genocide. People didnt like it. The DNC shoved him and Kamala down everyone’s throats instead of having an actual election. They’ve fucked themselves 3 cycles in a row now and then start complaining about socialists.
They were all vote blue no matter who when it was Biden or Kamala but now Mamdani won in NY and they’re all teaming up with the Republicans to stop him. Maybe thats why they keep fucking losing - they dont want to listen to their own base.
What do regular people want? Higher taxes on the rich, more affordable housing and food, Healthcare for all, and good education. All they’ve done is say well this will hurt billionaires feelings so we cant do it.
Its been over a year and people still are freaking out about this?
Well under a year, a year isn’t very fucking long, and of fucking course we’re freaking out about the fact that the country was handed over to Nazis, what kind of Nazi wouldn’t be freaking out?
They were all vote blue no matter who when it was Biden or Kamala but now Mamdani won in NY and they’re all teaming up with the Republicans to stop him.
Jesus fucking Christ. You people live in a fantasy land of your own devising.
What do regular people want? Higher taxes on the rich, more affordable housing and food, Healthcare for all, and good education.
It’s funny, then, that regular people seem so often to vote against all those things, both in primaries and in the general election. But I’m sure it’s the fault of the DEMS in some way. Can’t face up to the fact that the electorate needs to fucking change, no sir, everything is the fault of Blue Circus not being entertaining enough for you lot to save marginalized groups from genocide. Maybe if the careerist politicians in the DNC are more entertaining next time, you’ll think about voting against the Nazis, huh?
No, this post is freaking out about Kamala.
How do i live in a fantasy world? Mamdani won, and the democrats other than Bernie and AOC refused to endorse him. They would rather Eric Adams, who is Trumps little bitch, stayed in power. Or Andrew Cuomo.
Its funny that the dems keep using all those things as a carrot to get people to vote for them but then never actually do anything with them. No one is asking for politicians to be more entertaining, im not sure where you got that from my post. I would rather they weren’t entertaining but actually listened to their constituents. The democrats absolutely have failed to listen to their constituents since Obama.
Their constituents wanted Bernie in 2016. Deb Wasserman Schulz and the DNC said no its her turn and gave it to Hilary, who had no chance of beating trump. Then they won with Biden because everyone was sick of trump, not because of anything great Biden did. Biden made a bunch of promises, the big one being that he would be a one term president. That didnt happen. The democratic voters very clearly said they didnt want genocide. Biden hopped in with Netenyahu.
The fact that you still cant wrap your head around the fact that people might care about a genocide happening and not want to vote for a someone enacting it just because the next person would keep enacting what was already started is pretty troubling about your sense of morality.
No, this post is freaking out about Kamala.
Are you aware that there was only one realistic alternative to the Nazi candidate in 2024?
How do i live in a fantasy world? Mamdani won, and the democrats other than Bernie and AOC refused to endorse him.
Waoh look at all these Congresscritters who didn’t endorse him
The democrats absolutely have failed to listen to their constituents since Obama.
Lord, and a dose of Obama nostalgia to go with it.
Their constituents wanted Bernie in 2016. Deb Wasserman Schulz and the DNC said no its her turn and gave it to Hilary, who had no chance of beating trump.
Jesus fucking Christ, a fantasy world indeed. Would you like to remind me by what numbers the Dem constituency voted in the 2016 Primary, and, for that matter, what the vote for the 2016 General was wrt the presidential candidates?
The fact that you still cant wrap your head around the fact that people might care about a genocide happening and not want to vote for a someone enacting it just because the next person would keep enacting what was already started is pretty troubling about your sense of morality.
The candidate who criticized the former administration for not supporting the genocide enough and promised to do everything in his power to help Israel wipe out the Palestinian people?
I’m sorry that you don’t see a difference between increasing support for genocide and decreasing support for genocide. I guess the hundreds of thousands of additional Palestinians who are going to die in Gaza and the West Bank don’t matter as much as virtue signaling how against genocide you are. Very moral, though, I’m sure your soul will be pure as snow when you pass on to the Leftist Afterlife or whatever the fuck you’re trying to murder marginalized groups for.
Your reading comprehension is ridiculously low and you seem to just want to start fights for no reason You dont have any points to make you just attack others for disagreeing with you. “The democrats have failed to listen to their constituents since obama”
This has nothing to do with Obama nostalgia, it has to do with the fact that its a simple fact. If you remember in 08 the establishment didnt want him either, but he rode a huge wave that was too big to ignore.
Since then the dems have screwed their own elections on 3 separate occasions. Bernie would have been a better choice than Kamala this time around.
But you dont seem to want to engage with any facts that exist outside of your own little bubble so you know what, do you. I hope youre not as miserable in real life
Man you keep just making a variation on the same “fuck the leftists” line over and over again.
The only leftists who need to get fucked are the ones who don’t believe in harm reduction. Who don’t believe in buying time for marginalized demographics to not get murdered AND buying time for us to organize instead of offering up our necks to the fucking secret police.
The rest of them are my comrades. I want capitalism gone. I want neocolonialism abolished. I want racial and ethnic justice in this fucking country, and in the world.
I just don’t think that helping Nazis get elected is, in any way, a conscionable or helpful means of achieving any of that.
Idk man, if that’s the case I think we could all use less leftist infighting that we are known for.
Honestly it’s starting to feel hopeless. All I want to do is just die now
Yeah. I guess that raises the question of “Who offers the peace branch first?” and “In what circumstances is it offered?”
Will abstaining leftists be willing to offer a peace branch and vote for an anti-fascist candidate, even one that disagrees with their wider views, if abstaining against fascists as a moral act is normalized?
Likewise, would centrist ghouls be willing to offer a peace branch and vote for a progressive primary candidate, even one that disagrees with their wider views, if voting as a personal sacrament instead of a strategic decision remains normalized?
The fighting I’m doing here is on the actual, practical actions we need to be doing, and, specifically, the ones that are controversial here (see: nearly a thousand comments in this meme about abstaining being bad, Jesus Christ), rather than the ones that are generally accepted (like “FOR GOD’S SAKE WE NEED TO ORGANIZE A GENERAL STRIKE”, which has a much less controversial mien in this community).
Can we actually reduce infighting without addressing the issue of the willingness to compromise for strategic purposes in a still very right-wing country? Or will promises to stop fighting just mean we remain divided and isolated and pursuing different strategies which none of us are willing to ‘compromise’ our own ‘purity’ of action to support, since in this case the cessation of infighting is ‘agree to disagree’ rather than resolving the fundamental issue of being unwilling to cooperate which this meme is criticizing, leading none of our left-wing attempts to reach critical mass, so to speak, and the fascists continuing to dominate society and murder whomever they want to?
Idk man. It sounds like your not really angry at a person or an organization but a straw man you built up in your head. What your asking for is for a vague group of leftists to apologize.
I don’t give a fuck about apologies, I want this not to happen again; and considering that numerous commenters in this very comment section are openly praising abstaining in the face of literal Nazis as a moral activity and being highly upvoted for it, quite clearly not only is it not a ‘strawman’ but a real phenomenon, but prevailing opinions on this very leftist community is that it SHOULD happen again, which is a bit fucking dogshit for the millions of us who are in danger of losing our fucking lives for their masturbatory sense of purity
And I get that. But I also get not wanting to vote for someone who is willing to save you but not willing to save someone you think is also worth saving. That’s a pretty large ask of someone morally. At what point do you stop blaming the people who’s morals held them to too high a standard and start blaming the people who couldn’t meet the bar of “don’t support a genocide”.
Like, your really going to spend time,effort and soul into being mad at the guy unwilling to compromise on their morality for their own safety rather than the guys who can’t stack up to what should be an easy ask?
Just weird priorities brother. I get the harm reduction argument. I voted and whatnot. But the moment that election was over, I was way more mad at the folks who couldn’t help but declare how much they won’t budge on genocide instead of my friends and ideological comrades. At the end of the day it was those running the election who lost it.
But I also get not wanting to vote for someone who is willing to save you but not willing to save someone you think is also worth saving.
So you understand, then, why I feel disdain for these ‘leftists’ who weren’t willing to save people I think were worth saving?
At what point do you stop blaming the people who’s morals held them to too high a standard and start blaming the people who couldn’t meet the bar of “don’t support a genocide”.
Holy fucking shit
MORE THAN ONE ACTOR CAN BE GUILTY AT ONCE
Like, your really going to spend time,effort and soul into being mad at the guy unwilling to compromise on their morality for their own safety rather than the guys who can’t stack up to what should be an easy ask?
“An easy ask”
A majority of the fucking Democratic Party electorate still supports Israel.
“Just stop supporting Israel, national candidate whose hope is to win on an extremely narrow margin! It’s easy!”
Not only that, but fucking yes I’m going to be mad at the guy unwilling to compromise their own ‘morality’, and in doing so not only murder the people he claims to be doing it for (Palestinians) but also a whole host of other marginalized groups numbering in the literal fucking millions by projections in the first six months of this fucking Nazi regime, and what will probably end up in the tens of millions, if not more.
If someone’s ‘morality’ tells them to let Nazis win so they can virtue signal, their ‘morality’ isn’t worth a good goddamn, and they’re not much better than Nazis themselves.
Just weird priorities brother. I get the harm reduction argument. I voted and whatnot. But the moment that election was over, I was way more mad at the folks who couldn’t help but declare how much they won’t budge on genocide instead of my friends and ideological comrades.
See, that’s exactly the problem. You’re more interested in remaining friends and ‘comrades’ with people who enable literal Nazis, because changing your social circles would be uncomfortable. Your friends and ‘comrades’ couldn’t help but declare how much they wouldn’t budge on genocide - namely, that if they couldn’t prevent one genocide, they preferred there to be numerous genocides, and the genocide they ‘wanted’ to prevent being expanded.
This is the exact same shit that suburban liberals do with their conservative friends every time their conservative friends vote for Nazis. “Ohhh, I don’t agree with their choice, but aren’t there people more responsible???”
No one who supports Nazis is my friend. No one who supports Nazis is my comrade.
As a trans person, you can suck my girl dick. I am not a cudgel to be used by shitty libs to sheepdog votes for their nonexistent policy.
Trans rights keep being eroded, regardless of who is in power, because the Democratic Party isn’t doing anything to preserve them.
Trans rights keep being eroded, regardless of who is in power, because the Democratic Party isn’t doing anything to preserve them.
… would you like to outline where trans rights were in 2024 in comparison to where they were in 1990, and also inform me which parties were in power in the intervening years?
Dems being insufficient and Dems being backsliders are two entirely different concepts. Dems are absolutely insufficiently supportive of trans rights. Dem politicians are also the primary vehicle through which trans rights have been encoded into law.
Saying “Dem politicians” are the reason trans rights were encoded into law strips trans people of our political agency. You’re effectively saying the quiet part out loud by denying us political agency, or even a role in our own political history.
Trans rights have been fought and won over decades, long before 1990, by trans people. Often outside of traditional political, not to mention medical, avenues. The Democratic Party, as an institution, only picked up on encoding those rights into law, when there was the pressure and inertia was such that it was beneficial to their coalition to do so.
In 2024, when that coalition was proven to have collapsed, in large part because of the additude you’re taking here, trans people were some of the first to be thrown under the bus and blamed.
Saying “Dem politicians” are the reason trans rights were encoded into law strips trans people of our political agency. You’re effectively saying the quiet part out loud by denying us political agency, or even a role in our own political history.
… tell me again, who encoded trans rights into law, if not Dem politicians?
You… you do realize things that are encoded into law are, by definition, done by politicians in essentially all cases except ballot initiatives, right?
… right…?
For that matter, you do realize that many trans folk, both historically and contemporarily, have been Dem activists and politicians, precisely because the Dems have been much more ameniable to enshrining trans rights into law, and thus an easier vehicle to do so with? Would you… would you like to remind me, of the parties “Republican”, “Democrat”, and “None”, which does the only current trans Congresswoman belong to?
Trans rights have been fought and won over decades, long before 1990, by trans people. Often outside of traditional political, not to mention medical, avenues. The Democratic Party, as an institution, only picked up on encoding those rights into law, when there was the pressure and inertia was such that it was beneficial to their coalition to do so.
… yes…? That’s… that’s how democracies work…?
In 2024, when that coalition was proven to have collapsed, in large part because of the additude you’re taking here,
So when the coalition ‘collapses’, losing by the massive amount of [checks notes] 1% after millions of people who previously voted decided that abstaining out of purity politics interested them in a time of conveniently-high propaganda, it’s because… people like me wanted them to NOT abstain out of purity politics?
trans people were some of the first to be thrown under the bus and blamed.
Some Dem ghouls have tried to blame trans folk. The vast majority of Dems, even careerist ghouls, still support trans rights.
This is such a tired narrative. You guys really want to focus on the leftists when half the country voted for an authoritarian?
Every movement has its radical fringe. Virtue signaling either your ideological purity or your solidarity with the only viable opposition are equally feeble attempts at clinging to a notion of victory in the face of total defeat.
This is such a tired narrative. You guys really want to focus on the leftists when half the country voted for an authoritarian?
Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds
see now this is doing the same room temp IQ shit as fugjesus
Not All Leftists: are anti-DNC purity non-voters
Not All Liberals: are the MLK “white moderate” type who will vote Republican if lefties are mean to them
Sure, that might be true of individuals but that phrase, or at least variants of it (ie. “The Social Democrats are The Left-Wing of Fascism”), have existed since the rise of the Nazis.
The idea being that liberal institutions will sooner do the work of fascism by punching left, rather than making common cause to fight fascism. And this meme isn’t helping that perception by punching left.
Phrases existing does not mean there is truth, just that there is an aspect that feels true, look at all the people that have adopted “hard men create good times” etc as a mantra.
I don’t think making hostile comments (saying all libs are fascists) is productive at all, and obviously individuals are not responsible for entire institutions, or even other people that share their principles but are also assholes.
This is a bad metaphor. I agree harm reduction helps, but Democrats are not owed a vote and the obsession with blaming what is apparently a small minority of voters or the sole reason Democrats lost depending what is convenient, is truly damning of liberals.
If libs put half the effort into courting leftists they do in blaming leftists perhaps they’d win. Instead a group of people who would by and left never vote for a dem anyway, didn’t vote for them.
This is the bed they made and now they want to blame everyone else for shitting their pants.
but Democrats are not owed a vote
I’m so glad you decided that Blue Circus wasn’t OWED your vote, so letting minorities be genocided is an okay consequences you’re willing to live with.
The bottom line is the left has a problem with members who choose their own moral superiority over the wellbeing of the nation and themselves.
That’s a problem that needs to be talked about.
OP admits that they would cast a vote to put trans people in camps if the situation was right. This meme is ridiculous coming from a person like that.
“Pick the less bad option, millions of lives depend on it.”
“OH, so if the LESS BAD option was CONSIDERABLY WORSE than it was in 2024, you’d still pick it???”
Literally yes, but that’s not contradictory to the argument of the meme - ie that THE ACTUAL PRACTICAL LIVES OF HUMAN FUCKING BEINGS IN MARGINALIZED GROUPS DEPEND ON FASCISM BEING DEFEATED, AND YOUR ONLINE STREET CRED AND STRANGE NOTION OF MAINTAINING A POLITICALLY PURE SOUL MEANS JACK SHIT IN COMPARISON
We fought to get to a position where trans people aren’t on the chopping block every fucking election and that gruesome outcome doesn’t have to occur unlike, say, in 18 fucking 60, and you want to send them back to it because it’ll make you feel good when you cast your ballot?
Fuck off with that shit.
You could write a book about my supposed internal motivations.
I feel like takes like this come from people with no long term memory. Do you remember the pro-palestinian crows begging Kamala Harris to even pretend like she’d do something to help? And she basically told them to vote for Trump? Blame the Democratic party for choosing to be fascism-light instead of actual resistance.
Multiple people are at fault
- Republicans for being literal Nazis
- Democrats for selling their souls to AIPAC and ignoring their constituents
- Protest voters for not seeing Trump as enough of a threat
- The two party system for allowing this to happen in the first place
- Billionaires for funding a literal Nazi
- The Israeli government for waves hands
As someone who had to leave behind everything and flee the US for safety (2025 was lining up to be a damn good year dammit), I am furious at all of the above
I feel like takes like this come from people with no long term memory.
Christ. How ironic.
Christ. How pointless as usual.
Ah, this Pug Jesus. Always angry at leftists showing they’re just Republican lite. Got it.
Still campaigning against the anti-fascist coalition in the hopes of speeding the fascists to victory, I see. I guess getting Trump into power wasn’t enough - you want to make sure that he stays there.
Yeah the Democrats caused Trump. Nice try buddy. When Dems win, “we don’t need the left!” and when they lose “It’s all the lefts fault!”
Keep trying
Dems need the left, and the left has no option but the Dems. Sorry that I’m not the centrist Pelosi-worshipper you want to paint me as. I’m just someone who prefers anti-fascism to fascism, unlike you.
Where have I said I’m fascist? Because I criticize Dems? A dog shit party that did nothing to stop Trump?
Where have I said I’m fascist?
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize self-identifying as a fascist was how one defined a fascist. I guess you don’t define most of the Republican party as fascists either - unsurprising considering your blasé attitude towards helping them into power. :)
Maybe it’s time to log off for a bit and get some fresh air?
When asked what Kamala’s opinion was about Trans people and protections, all she said is “they should follow the law”.
The fuck is that non answer
That’s not what was said. Harris’s answer was insufficient, but she said that she would follow the law while citing that the law mandates access to gender-affirming care.
It’s insufficient, but it’s also not what the literal fucking Nazis were salivating about at the time.
She was trying to coddle the right /centrist by not saying she’ll prosecute them, but also not saying they should have rights either.
but also not saying they should have rights either.
I fucking hate this site.
Maybe try logging off, I had a great day outside today.
Fascism is not a break from the previous administration, but a continuation.
Libs are still crying about their loss of power, still doing nothing to resist.
Fascism is not a break from the previous administration, but a continuation.
Average privileged ‘leftist’ Nazi supporter.
The dems are literally rolling over for fascism. They are complicit.
Tankies telling people to not vote is rolling over for fascism.
Holy blame shifting, Batman!
CIA ass post
You know how before the elections we say that it’s not the time to nitpick the Democratic Party because it’s more important to have it win so that the fascist won’t win?
Well, now we are not before elections, which means that now it is the time to nitpick the Democratic Party.
Hell yeah. Nitpick away. Push for actual left politicians. Go canvas for a candidate who better meets your ideals. Don’t forget to vote in primaries and local elections.
Also don’t forget that we need to actually make it to having elections for the next 4 years to even start trying to turn this ship around.
That’s what pisses me off about these tribalists coming out to parrot the post-defeat “it wasn’t our fault for not trying to be appealing, it was the fault of the plebes for not supporting us” DNC propaganda.
“Always blame the peasants, never the kings!”
It’s hilariously subservient and the avoidance of change inside the Democrat Party that this “let’s not criticize our leaders” aims to achive pretty much guarantees a similar result next time the Democrats face a Republican populist - Fascism - and that part is the very opposite of hilarious.
It’s also seriously hypocrite to cloak yourself in a “we want to protect trans people” cloak whilst fighting against the criticism of the Democrat Party that can change the very leaders whose choices and strategies resulted in the current situation where trans people are getting harmed: if they genuinelly wanted to protect trans people from harm, they would not spend their time trying divert criticism away from their holy cows.
Two different things, “nitpicking” and then, you know, voting (for Dems).
also time to nitpick fundamentalist beliefs and deradicalize before the inevitable bullshit wedge issue campaigns in the run up to the next elections
And you have shit libs still clabbering about how the 2024 General ended up.
Can we not pivot and look to the future? Are Democrats secretly wanting to Make Democrats Great Again, like they once were?
Ffs
What does that have to do with what I’m saying?
Where did I say “Don’t criticize the Dems!”
I’m saying “Next election that comes about, maybe don’t fucking purity politics us into literal Nazi death camps like you did this time, you twats”
I don’t think they’re addressing anything you said, but they are supporting the lefty part where we should be self critical. I would too.
And our nitpicking and low approval of the Democrats is now a key talking point for Republicans. I may be ignorant but I’m not seeing changes in leadership which is why the approval rating is low. We want something locked and loaded and with sure footing by the midterms so that, at minimum, messaging is on point. But so far they haven’t done anything to appeal to people and actually create a platform that energizes people. They need a leftist issue that makes people as irrationally angry as trans girls in high school sports does for MAGAts.
