• @[email protected]
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    “Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.”

    —Mark Twain

  • Camelbeard
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    If your whole identity is based on the fact you where born at some location on this planet, you really need some self reflection and deprogramming

    • 🍉 Albert 🍉
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      I was within these borders while I crawled out of a vagina. it’s one of my greatest achievements and I’ll base my personality on that

  • FlashMobOfOne
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    Both are stupid, especially if you live in the USA, where your government will let you be rendered homeless and dead in the street if you can’t pay enough money into the capitalist machine.

    What’s to be proud of?

  • @[email protected]
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    126 days ago

    This is bullshit.

    Even if the technical definition of “patriotism” is all of these good things, it doesn’t matter because everyone thinks it means all of those bad things.

  • Bud
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    And the brainwashing goes on and on…

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      The word “Republican” actually comes from is used today as a decolonial form of Nationalist movement, and they are usually Socialists. Elsewhere in the world, “Republican” still means something actually useful for human goddamn dignity. Since nobody sold out the premise like an American Colonizer party.

      You gonna tell an Irish Nationalist that they can’t celebrate or defend their people even as “Unionist” Pogroms ravage Catholic parts of Northern Ireland?

      You gonna tell an Indigenous Nationalist that their people can’t have the land granted to them by treaties or stand for their people’s sovereign water supply?

      You gonna tell a Jewish Nationalist that they can’t be Anti-Zionist, and build their idea of the Jewish Nation and its Diasporic people on standing up against oppression?

      These illiterate, domesticated-ass liberals still think “nation = country = state”, like this is 2nd grade. The closest they get to reading is a twitter post, my essaying protects me from their eyes. And they want to talk about what Nationalism is.

      Meanwhile Patriotism? Is bipartisan. And it is Stan-ing for a State even as it commits a Genocide. Fuck all of that, and fuck your state. May Trump’s incompetence burn the US’s ability to inflict violence upon the rest of the world.

      • Bud
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        36 days ago

        The word “republic” comes from res publica. Public thing.

        Indeed, the meaning has been fully distorted, like anything else in the US, and sold to people with no moral, voted by people with no moral.

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          Yeah, fair point.

          The original use? Is not how any single Republican Party I can find actually started. Instead it explicitly Anti-Monarchist, even Socialist Decolonialism for former British Colonies. Even the US party began along these lines - but ya know, the whole selling out thing.

          Tell an Irish Republican you voted for Trump. I dare you.

  • Spectre
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    Nobody should be patriotic with the genocidal settler colony that is the USA.

  • @[email protected]
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    Patriotism is the little sibling of nationalism, and the boundaries are fluid. I will never understand why people are proud of other people’s accomplishments and make them their own. Or is it because people were shat on somewhere else in the world than everyone else? Makes absolutely no sense.

  • @[email protected]
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    Nationalism has become such a no go that nationalists will call themselves patriots but it’s just a euphemism for the first

  • NutWrench
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    Patriotism is pride in your country.

    Nationalism is not knowing the difference between your government and your mommy.

  • @[email protected]
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    um, no… Americocentric again

    Nationalism has to do with pride in a shared cultural identity, whereas Patriotism is pride for one’s country.

    in other countries, there are strong cultural ties that bond people together. shared language. a relationship to the land. hundreds if not thousands of years of history. some countries have dozens of such groups.

    nationalism is a person from that group taking pride in that identity. patriotism is taking pride in your country as a whole. so for example, you can be proud to be Gujarati, and you can be proud to be Indian.

    now, in the United States, there really isn’t a national identity beyond shopping malls and jingoism. so i can see how nationalism is rarely seen positively. all you get of it is nazis and fake irish frat bros.

    but, no, really I think patriotism is a far bigger problem than nationalism. one’s language is your flesh and blood, it’s who you are. what the fuck does a country mean to you? the people who lock you up?